Rear and Canopy Headliner - Revision history

Az gila at 05:08, 7 December 2009

2009-12-07T05:08:14Z

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			Gil Alexander note - 12-6-09 -

			Unlike Larry, I had good sucess with 3M #90 Contact Cement aerosol - and it has stood up to a few years of AZ heat without failing. I did apply it quite thickly, and used the same materials as Larry - Airtex foam, Airtex headliner and the Aircraft Spruce black sound deadening foam - but I used the "non-sticky back" version and stuck that on with #90 spray too.

			The 3M product (same stuff #90, different label) is also sold for the automotive market for headliners and under the hood applications. I used both a can of the automotive stuff as well as a can from Home Depot, and both looked and worked the same.

			Perhaps I applied it in a heavier coat, waited longer before assembly or I did it at a higher ambient temperature. Try some test pieces first.

Cltatsch at 16:24, 6 December 2009

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	As with the rear headliner, the first task is to clean off the excess contact cement on the canopy skin. I decided to use MEK rather than paint remover because it was easier to work on and the MEK didn't remove the underlying paint. Remove enough glue so the surface is reasonably clean. Then cut the black foam to fit between the vertical aluminum ridges and the windows. Note that I used "White-Out" to mark the outline from the old headliner, then added an inch extra.		As with the rear headliner, the first task is to clean off the excess contact cement on the canopy skin. I decided to use MEK rather than paint remover because it was easier to work on and the MEK didn't remove the underlying paint. Remove enough glue so the surface is reasonably clean. Then cut the black foam to fit between the vertical aluminum ridges and the windows. Note that I used "White-Out" to mark the outline from the old headliner, then added an inch extra.
	[[Image:0602091013a.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|left\|Installing Sound Deadening Foam]]		[[Image:0602091013a.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|left\|Installing Sound Deadening Foam]]


			UPDATE!

			After a few months, I noticed that the canopy headliner fabric has all un-bonded from the sound deadening foam! Bummer! The good thing is that even though it's unbonded, it isn't really noticable and still looks OK. I would change my recommendation to use the high-strength adhesive and coat the foam and fabric with maybe four light sprays. Then stick the fabric to the foam before the last coat fully dries. I also wonder whether double-sided carpet tape would work, especially with summer temps in the cabin.

	INSTALLING HEADLINER MATERIAL		INSTALLING HEADLINER MATERIAL

Cltatsch at 00:10, 22 June 2009

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	INSTALLING FOAM		INSTALLING FOAM

	The canopy only requires one layer of 1/2" thick foam. I decided to use the black sound deadening foam rather than the less-dense foam. An advantage is that the sound deadening foam can be ordered with an adhesive back, and that makes installation easier. After removing the canopy from the plane, remove all the plastic. I repaired and painted all the original plastic. It took a good bit of effort, especally heat-softening the plastic and removing the screw dimples.		The canopy only requires one layer of 1/2" thick foam. I decided to use the black sound deadening foam rather than the less-dense polyurethane foam. An advantage is that the sound deadening foam can be ordered with an adhesive back, and that makes installation easier. After removing the canopy from the plane, remove all the plastic. I repaired and painted all the original plastic. It took a good bit of effort, especally heat-softening the plastic and removing the screw dimples.

	As with the rear headliner, the first task is to clean off the excess contact cement on the canopy skin. I decided to use MEK rather than paint remover because it was easier to work on and the MEK didn't remove the underlying paint. Remove enough glue so the surface is reasonably clean. Then cut the black foam to fit between the vertical aluminum ridges and the windows. Note that I used "White-Out" to mark the outline from the old headliner, then added an inch extra.		As with the rear headliner, the first task is to clean off the excess contact cement on the canopy skin. I decided to use MEK rather than paint remover because it was easier to work on and the MEK didn't remove the underlying paint. Remove enough glue so the surface is reasonably clean. Then cut the black foam to fit between the vertical aluminum ridges and the windows. Note that I used "White-Out" to mark the outline from the old headliner, then added an inch extra.

Cltatsch: Rear headliner moved to Rear and Canopy Headliner: Added instructions for installing canopy headliner.

2009-06-22T00:04:31Z

Rear headliner moved to Rear and Canopy Headliner: Added instructions for installing canopy headliner.

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Cltatsch: Replacing the Rear and Canopy Headliner in a 1977 Tiger

2009-06-22T00:02:02Z

Replacing the Rear and Canopy Headliner in a 1977 Tiger

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	Larry Tatsch		Larry Tatsch

	Tiger 28350		Tiger 28350

	39N, Princeton, NJ		39N, Princeton, NJ

	6/21/09		6/21/09

Cltatsch at 23:58, 21 June 2009

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	I would like to acknowledge numerous suggestions, advice and pictures from several AYA members. My procedures may have been slightly different from those suggestions in some respects, but are generally the same. I take no credit for "inventing" these procedures.		I would like to acknowledge numerous suggestions, advice and pictures from several AYA members. My procedures may have been slightly different from those suggestions in some respects, but are generally the same. I take no credit for "inventing" these procedures.


	APPLICABILITY		APPLICABILITY

	This discussion refers to the rear (turtleback) headliner in aircraft that do NOT have rod hangers for the headliner, such as my 1977 Tiger. My headliner started to sag and even squirting spray adhesive through a hole in the fabric didn't re-glue it. Time to replace!		This discussion refers to the rear (turtleback) headliner in aircraft that do NOT have rod hangers for the headliner, such as my 1977 Tiger. My headliner started to sag and even squirting spray adhesive through a hole in the fabric didn't re-glue it. Time to replace!


	MATERIALS		MATERIALS
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	[[Image:materials.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|left\|Foam and Wool Headliner]]		[[Image:materials.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|left\|Foam and Wool Headliner]]


	PREPARATION		PREPARATION
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	You are now repeating the process of spraying the poly foam and the headliner material - precut with at least 4" extra all around - but you don't need more than two coats and be sure not to saturate the headliner or the glue will soak through. When the adhesive's almost dry, work from the center to either side (or any way you feel comfortable), pressing the fabric against the foam. It should stick quite easily and completely. Try not to get wrinkles but if you do, spray wrinkles with a little water and use a hair dryer to shrink the fabric. I found that this part was the easiest. Finally trim the fabric - don't overdo it like I did in one area - and replace the plastic.		You are now repeating the process of spraying the poly foam and the headliner material - precut with at least 4" extra all around - but you don't need more than two coats and be sure not to saturate the headliner or the glue will soak through. When the adhesive's almost dry, work from the center to either side (or any way you feel comfortable), pressing the fabric against the foam. It should stick quite easily and completely. Try not to get wrinkles but if you do, spray wrinkles with a little water and use a hair dryer to shrink the fabric. I found that this part was the easiest. Finally trim the fabric - don't overdo it like I did in one area - and replace the plastic.
	[[Image:New Headliner.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|left\|Finished headliner (cellphone pix -not real clear]]		[[Image:New Headliner.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|left\|Finished headliner (cellphone pix -not real clear]]

Cltatsch: /* CANOPY HEADLINER */

2009-06-21T23:57:40Z

CANOPY HEADLINER

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	You are now repeating the process of spraying the poly foam and the headliner material - precut with at least 4" extra all around - but you don't need more than two coats and be sure not to saturate the headliner or the glue will soak through. When the adhesive's almost dry, work from the center to either side (or any way you feel comfortable), pressing the fabric against the foam. It should stick quite easily and completely. Try not to get wrinkles but if you do, spray wrinkles with a little water and use a hair dryer to shrink the fabric. I found that this part was the easiest. Finally trim the fabric - don't overdo it like I did in one area - and replace the plastic.		You are now repeating the process of spraying the poly foam and the headliner material - precut with at least 4" extra all around - but you don't need more than two coats and be sure not to saturate the headliner or the glue will soak through. When the adhesive's almost dry, work from the center to either side (or any way you feel comfortable), pressing the fabric against the foam. It should stick quite easily and completely. Try not to get wrinkles but if you do, spray wrinkles with a little water and use a hair dryer to shrink the fabric. I found that this part was the easiest. Finally trim the fabric - don't overdo it like I did in one area - and replace the plastic.
	[[Image:New Headliner.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|left\|Finished headliner (cellphone pix -not real clear]]		[[Image:New Headliner.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|left\|Finished headliner (cellphone pix -not real clear]]

Cltatsch: /* INSTALLING CANOPY HEADLINER */

2009-06-21T23:57:04Z

INSTALLING CANOPY HEADLINER

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	== ~~INSTALLING~~ CANOPY HEADLINER ==		== CANOPY HEADLINER ==
	INSTALLING FOAM		INSTALLING FOAM

Cltatsch at 23:56, 21 June 2009

2009-06-21T23:56:29Z

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	As with the rear headliner, mask off all windows and areas you don't want covered with adhesive and use one of the 3M spray adhesives. With the rear headliner, I used the high strength material, but found that it wasn't very tacky and the fabric didn't always stick completely. For the canopy, I used the 3M adhesive that actually says on the front of the can, "for headliners." It seemed to have a little more tack. First cut the headliner fabric allowing a liberal excess all around. Spray two coats on the foam and headliner fabric, but be careful not to saturate the fabric, as it will show through. Wait about 4 minutes and press the fabric on the foam. Smooth out all puckers before the fabric really sticks to the foam. Then re-install the plastic and the job is done.		As with the rear headliner, mask off all windows and areas you don't want covered with adhesive and use one of the 3M spray adhesives. With the rear headliner, I used the high strength material, but found that it wasn't very tacky and the fabric didn't always stick completely. For the canopy, I used the 3M adhesive that actually says on the front of the can, "for headliners." It seemed to have a little more tack. First cut the headliner fabric allowing a liberal excess all around. Spray two coats on the foam and headliner fabric, but be careful not to saturate the fabric, as it will show through. Wait about 4 minutes and press the fabric on the foam. Smooth out all puckers before the fabric really sticks to the foam. Then re-install the plastic and the job is done.
	[[Image:0602091122.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|left\|Blue Masking Tape Still In Place After Spraying Adhesive]]		[[Image:0602091122.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|left\|Blue Masking Tape Still In Place After Spraying Adhesive]]
	[[Image:0602091537a.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|~~left~~\|New Headliner and Refurbished Plastic Installed]]		[[Image:0602091537a.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|right\|New Headliner and Refurbished Plastic Installed]]
	DOES THE FOAM "SOUND-DEADEN?"		DOES THE FOAM "SOUND-DEADEN?"

Cltatsch at 23:52, 21 June 2009

2009-06-21T23:52:05Z

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	As with the rear headliner, mask off all windows and areas you don't want covered with adhesive and use one of the 3M spray adhesives. With the rear headliner, I used the high strength material, but found that it wasn't very tacky and the fabric didn't always stick completely. For the canopy, I used the 3M adhesive that actually says on the front of the can, "for headliners." It seemed to have a little more tack. First cut the headliner fabric allowing a liberal excess all around. Spray two coats on the foam and headliner fabric, but be careful not to saturate the fabric, as it will show through. Wait about 4 minutes and press the fabric on the foam. Smooth out all puckers before the fabric really sticks to the foam. Then re-install the plastic and the job is done.		As with the rear headliner, mask off all windows and areas you don't want covered with adhesive and use one of the 3M spray adhesives. With the rear headliner, I used the high strength material, but found that it wasn't very tacky and the fabric didn't always stick completely. For the canopy, I used the 3M adhesive that actually says on the front of the can, "for headliners." It seemed to have a little more tack. First cut the headliner fabric allowing a liberal excess all around. Spray two coats on the foam and headliner fabric, but be careful not to saturate the fabric, as it will show through. Wait about 4 minutes and press the fabric on the foam. Smooth out all puckers before the fabric really sticks to the foam. Then re-install the plastic and the job is done.
	[[Image:0602091122.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|left\|Blue Masking Tape Still In Place After Spraying Adhesive]]		[[Image:0602091122.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|left\|Blue Masking Tape Still In Place After Spraying Adhesive]]
			[[Image:0602091537a.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|left\|New Headliner and Refurbished Plastic Installed]]
	DOES THE FOAM "SOUND-DEADEN?"		DOES THE FOAM "SOUND-DEADEN?"

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	Larry Tatsch		Larry Tatsch

	Tiger 28350		Tiger 28350

	39N, Princeton, NJ		39N, Princeton, NJ

	1/27/09		6/21/09