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<p><span class="autocomment">Abnormal Procedure: 1/3 flaps</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw-interface=""> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 22:04, 19 November 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>=<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Abnormal Procedure: 1/3 flaps</del>=</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>=<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Flaps Down on Takeoff</ins>=</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">You may have read about Tiger owners disregarding the POH N.P. </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">no</del>-<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">flap </del>takeoff <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and climb. These owners instead </del>use <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">1/3 </del>flaps <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and find it reduces takeoff roll and VSI climb rate</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I tried this recently </del>and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">was frankly &lt;B&gt;amazed&lt;/b&gt; at how much improvement it produced in TO/climb. I'd like to know </del>if <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">there's </del>any <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">danger or downside to doing this routinely</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and suggest that otherwise it be considered standard procedure</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--[[User:Jw4fc|Jw4fc]] 13:06, 19 November 2007 (PST)</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A common point </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">discussion on Grumman</ins>-<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Gang and among AYAers is whether the </ins>takeoff <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">performance of Grumman aircraft is improved by the </ins>use <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">of partial </ins>flaps <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">on take-off</ins>.</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">AYA Safety Directory Ron Levy undertook a controlled experiment </ins>and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">concluded that the benefit is small, </ins>if any<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.  He recommends following the book procedures</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">which require flaps up for takeoff</ins>.</div></td></tr> <!-- diff cache key sbw_bondline:diff:1.41:old-2562:rev-2563:php=table --> </table>

WikiSysop https://bondline.org/index.php?title=Normal_Procedures&diff=2562&oldid=prev 2007-11-19T21:07:28Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Abnormal Procedure: 1/3 flaps</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw-interface=""> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 21:07, 19 November 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>=Abnormal Procedure: 1/3 flaps=</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>=Abnormal Procedure: 1/3 flaps=</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>You may have read about Tiger owners disregarding the POH N.P. of no-flap takeoff and climb. These owners instead use 1/3 flaps and find it reduces takeoff roll and VSI <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">reading</del>. I tried this recently and was frankly &lt;B&gt;amazed&lt;/b&gt; at how much improvement it produced in TO/climb. I'd like to know if there's any danger or downside to doing this routinely, and suggest that otherwise it be considered standard procedure.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>You may have read about Tiger owners disregarding the POH N.P. of no-flap takeoff and climb. These owners instead use 1/3 flaps and find it reduces takeoff roll and VSI <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">climb rate</ins>. I tried this recently and was frankly &lt;B&gt;amazed&lt;/b&gt; at how much improvement it produced in TO/climb. I'd like to know if there's any danger or downside to doing this routinely, and suggest that otherwise it be considered standard procedure.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>--[[User:Jw4fc|Jw4fc]] 13:06, 19 November 2007 (PST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>--[[User:Jw4fc|Jw4fc]] 13:06, 19 November 2007 (PST)</div></td></tr> <!-- diff cache key sbw_bondline:diff:1.41:old-2561:rev-2562:php=table --> </table>

Jw4fc https://bondline.org/index.php?title=Normal_Procedures&diff=2561&oldid=prev 2007-11-19T21:06:47Z

<p></p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>=Abnormal Procedure: 1/3 flaps=<br /> You may have read about Tiger owners disregarding the POH N.P. of no-flap takeoff and climb. These owners instead use 1/3 flaps and find it reduces takeoff roll and VSI reading. I tried this recently and was frankly &lt;B&gt;amazed&lt;/b&gt; at how much improvement it produced in TO/climb. I&#039;d like to know if there&#039;s any danger or downside to doing this routinely, and suggest that otherwise it be considered standard procedure.<br /> --[[User:Jw4fc|Jw4fc]] 13:06, 19 November 2007 (PST)</div>

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